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Seung Cho and warning signs

I try not to comment about stuff like the Virginia Tech shootings if all I can think of to say is how horrified I am, which other people can say better than me. But some of the coverage struck me today:

“We always joked we were just waiting for him to do something, waiting to hear about something he did,” classmate Stephanie Derry said. “But when I got the call it was Cho who had done this, I started crying, bawling.”

Lucinda Roy, the English department co-chairwoman who tutored Cho one-on-one after another professor had difficulties with him, even had a code word with an assistant to call police if she ever felt threatened by Cho.

Roy told the Times offered to go with Mr. Cho to counseling, just to talk. “But he wouldn’t say yes, and unfortunately I couldn’t force him to do it,” she said.

She told CNN she was so disturbed by his writing that she went to the police and university administrators for help.

“The threats seemed to be underneath the surface,” she said. “They were not explicit and that was the difficulty the police had.”

And then there’s this former classmate writing on AOL:

When we read Cho’s plays, it was like something out of a nightmare. The plays had really twisted, macabre violence that used weapons I wouldn’t have even thought of. Before Cho got to class that day, we students were talking to each other with serious worry about whether he could be a school shooter. I was even thinking of scenarios of what I would do in case he did come in with a gun, I was that freaked out about him. When the students gave reviews of his play in class, we were very careful with our words in case he decided to snap. Even the professor didn’t pressure him to give closing comments. …

While I “knew” Cho, I always wished there was something I could do for him, but I couldn’t think of anything. As far as notifying authorities, there isn’t (to my knowledge) any system set up that lets people say “Hey! This guy has some issues! Maybe you should look into this guy!” If there were, I definitely would have tried to get the kid some help. I think that could have had a good chance of averting yesterday’s tragedy more than anything.

But actually I guess there is some sort of system to do that: ABC News reports that in 2005:

University officials said the school had obtained a “temporary detention order” from a local magistrate that allowed them to refer Cho to an off-campus medical facility. According to Virginia law, “A magistrate has the authority to issue a detention order upon a finding that a person is mentally ill and in need of hospitalization or treatment.

“The magistrate also must find that the persin is an imminent danger to himself or others,” says the guideline from Virginia’s state court system.

“We normally go through access” — appealing to the state’s legal system for help — “because they have the power to commit people if they need to be committed,” said Wendell Flinchum, chief of the Virginia Tech police department.

Flinchum said they believe Cho was taken to Carilion St. Albans Psychiatric Hospital in Radford, Va., a private facility which can take 162 inpatients.

It’s not clear what happened there.

Sigh … I wish I had all the answers.

UPDATE:

ABC had this fascinating interview with forensic psychiatrist Michael Welner, who has examined many notorious mass shooters and says Cho was shows signs of being schizophrenic:

How he related to his roommate was just too bizarre to be depression. The bizarre content of his plays — mashing a half-eaten “banana bar” in someone’s mouth, the hypersexual, nihilistic (death obsessed) obsessions in the absence of depressive guilt or tearfulness are another clue. The progressive decline of a period of years. ….. In a similar vein, Mr. Cho’s stilted communication in his homicide note (deceitful charlatans — not the language of a 23-year-old college kid) is also the manner of a schizophrenic’s communications, as is his pronounced delay in responding to questions.

Welner attaches significance about this supposed romantic rejection … one wonders if it was by Emily Hilscher, one of the two first victims, although that remains unconfirmed:

In my professional experience, rejection from a romantic target is a very common and underestimated homicidal trigger for young men, be it mass shooting, killing of friends or even intrafamilial shooting. The assailants are reluctant to speak of the emotionally loaded issue after the fact — particularly because they may have had an intense reaction to a rather unimpressive emotional connection.

And that is precisely the point. Alienated, paranoid individuals have great difficulty connecting with others because of their social awkwardness, rage and negativism, and because of the depression that many who later go on rampages also have in addition. Reminders of their failure to connect with others are very painful to them. Richard Baumhammer — who targeted minorities in a shooting spree that left five people dead in April 2000 was so starved for relationships with women, for example, that he would pay girls from escort services to simply come to his home and sit with him.

Wilner says paranoid individuals need to be engaged, rather than isolated.

10 comments to Seung Cho and warning signs

  • themofo

    Will someone publish Cho’s plays, I wonder?

  • You can find two of the plays here.

    ABC News had criminologist Suzanne Lea analyze the plays. She told the network that “it’s very clear that he’s has some experience with molestation. There’s many references to anal sexuality … There’s definitely a revenge fantasy in there.”

  • To be honest, though, in this age of “Natural Born Killers” and Quentin Tarantino, I didn’t see anything too remarkable about the plays.

  • amelia

    Derek, being a part of the media, can you express your opinion about NBC airing pieces of the manifesto? I personally just sent them an email to NBC News expressing my disappointment in this decision. I frankly don’t believe they ever questioned whether to run with the scoop, but rather how to make it appear that they thought about it. There is nothing newsworthy in spreading his propaganda…. pure sensationalism.

  • I haven’t actually watched any of NBC’s coverage, just read about it. But in general I am against withholding information from the public unless there’s a really, really, really good reason for it. What is your definition of “newsworthy”? This pertains to a current event and is something the public’s interested in, so IMHO it is indeed newsworthy.

    Gary Dretzka had a funny letter to Romenesko, where he wrote that, “I’m sure NBC executives ‘agonized’ over their decision all the way to the nearest church, where they thanked God for allowing the material to fall into their laps.”

    With all respect to the dead and wounded in Va., that would probably have been my reaction too.

  • themofo

    ‘Newsworthy’ is that material which, when put on the air, people watch. NBC blew its competition out of the water that night for viewership, and I for one get a bit exasperated with people who complain about media sensationalism so much– right after they watch the broadcast.

  • amelia

    OK, so by your definition, Lindsay Lohan arriving on the filmset late because she was out the night before is newsworthy. The fact that I know it happened shows I watched/ read it, but I really really do not need to know this information! There has to be some element of social responsibility. But then, I guess the question is who is to judge who determines what is good and bad for society.

    But yes, from a business point of view, good on ya NBC.

    And also, adding the fantastically ridiculous term “multimedia manifesto” to the country’s vernacular is a hidden gift from all of this.

    btw, I’m a NYer currently living and working in Australia, and to hear the media coverage of it here is cringe inducing (“In a country notorious for its mass shootings…”)

  • Well, a lot of news doesn’t fit into the strict “need to know.” Hey, even the Virginia Tech shootings didn’t really affect my life in any way directly. But yes I would say that celebrity news and hijinks is indeed news.

    I would also say, of course news directors have considerations other than newsworthiness as they decide whether to publish. Privacy, upholding the integrity of the citizen jury system, obscenity, etc…. But that said I really don’t see any good arguments not to publish. It’s very human and very legitimate to want to understand why this happened.

    From what NBC has released, though, I still don’t feel I really understand what was going on in Cho’s mind or why he went on this rampage. It’s like he’s speaking Martian. But maybe that lack of understanding is itself a form of understanding?

  • ariana

    Amelia: seeing the manifesto lets us all know the reality — and danger — that the guy sitting next to you on the subway could slash your throat at any moment? What does one do with that information? Think about packing heat, that’s what it makes me wanna do. So I can blow away the mofo (not you mofo — the generic mofo) away before he does me.
    GO NRA!

  • themofo

    I appreciate you not blowing me away, Ariana.

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